Montana Grizzlies podcast with Jim O'Day

The posts haven't been as frequent as we sink into the offseason and the Missoula weather starts to change but here's something new: the first ever Grizzoulian podcast. I hope to do one more this month then make it a more consistent feature in the fall.

My guest on the first one is University of Montana Athletic Director Jim O'Day. We start by talking about next years hoops team then move onto football scheduling, the draft, the expansion and more.



To download the half-hour long podcast, right-click on the link below and select 'download link target' or something similar.

The move--should Montana move to the FBS?

For the tenth year in a row, the Montana Grizzlies football team exited spring practices with the title of “reigning Big Sky Champions.” In August, they’ll resume practices and begin preparing for a season that could hold their fifteenth consecutive playoff appearance. Until Missoula brings another gorgeous autumn and with it, football season, Griz football fans can only talk and speculate. There’s one debate that reigns over all the rest. It’s something every passionate Griz fan has an opinion on: whether or not the Griz have grown too big and too good for this level of competition.

The Montana Grizzlies football team currently plays in the Big Sky Conference of the Football Championship Subdivision, formerly know as Division I-AA. While it is technically considered Division I football, it is not home to college football’s best programs. No, the USCs, Notre Dames and Floridas play in the Football Bowl Subdivision, formerly know as Division I-A. While some numbers may support a move up to the FBS—20 straight regular season wins and a 25,000-seat stadium already sold out for every game next season—financial, competitive and political obstacles loom in the way. 

“We just are not in a position to move up right now,” Athletic Director Jim O’Day said.

Even if the Griz were currently ready to make the jump from the FCS to the FBS, they would not be able to do so. During its August 9, 2007, meeting, the NCAA Division I Board of Directors established a Division I membership moratorium. The moratorium, effective until 2011, prohibits any school from reclassifying to Division I (including reclassifying within Division I from the FBS to the FCS) unless they have already begun the process.

There are currently 20 schools who have already begun the process, with their expected timeframes for a move ranging from one to six years. While only these twenty schools have officially declared themselves as being in the preparation and transition phase, countless other schools are taking a look at making the move.

“So many teams in the Football Championship Subdivision are constantly talking about it,” said O’Day, who will be attending a meeting in June in Dallas where he will discuss the issue with other athletic directors.

So many teams are talking about it, but some take the issue more seriously than others. One mark that a team is seriously looking at moving up: they choose to conduct a feasibility study examining exactly what it would take in terms of money, facilities and competitive ability for a team to move up.

O’Day said the University of Montana isn’t quite ready to conduct a feasibility study of its own, but they do look at studies done by other schools.

“At this point, it’s just not a priority for us, a priority for me,” O’Day said. “Sometimes you kind of wish you had the answers but there’s no reason for us to do anything right now because of our health and where we’re at right now.”

Financially, Montana is one of the “healthiest” football programs in the FCS. When the Griz play Division II Central Washington at home next season, they will net just under $500,000. When they play rival Montana State, the net gain for the University of Montana will be $1 million. The increase comes from higher ticket prices and UM creating a standing room only crowd by selling more tickets than the stadium has seats.

By comparison, the $25,000 the University of Albany netted after traveling out to Missoula in 2007 and getting beat 35-14 was more than they made for a home game.

Because the University of Montana makes so much off its home games, the team doesn’t have to travel to FBS powers and risk injury for payouts that would seem very lucrative to some schools, but are beneath what UM makes for staying at home.

Travel costs are another reason the Griz play so many games at home. These costs could potentially go up if the Griz were to move to the FBS. If the Griz were to play in the Western Athletic Conference—home to former Big Sky teams Boise State, Idaho and Nevada—they would have to travel to the University of Hawaii and Louisiana Tech.

Every time the Griz travel, they are forced to charter their own flight because there isn’t an airline that offers a big enough plane to fly the team and coaching staff out of Missoula. O’Day said the cost of chartering a plane ranges between $60,000 and $100,000.

With so many factors off the field that play into the decision, it’s almost easy to forget what could happen on the field of play. The wide range of issues includes how well UM would compete at a higher level, the type and caliber of player the Griz could recruit and the effect on sports other than football.

“People say ‘Well, what happens if we go 4-7?’” O’Day asked. “I think that would be very realistic.”

The Griz haven’t finished below .500 since they went 3-8 in 1985. That season, they averaged 5,599 fans per home game; that's less than the basketball team averaged for the same year. One has to look no further than UM's men’s hoops program to see what losing does to a fan base, attendance has plummeted 42 percent since the 1991-1992 season.

At the FCS level, Griz fans not only get to see a winning team, but also a large chunk of homegrown talent. Of the 67 kids currently on Montana’s 2008 roster, 52 percent of them are from Montana. By comparison, only 13 percent of the University of Idaho’s current 2008 roster is from Idaho. Some of the best talent in Montana wouldn’t be able to compete on the state’s biggest stage and many fans wouldn’t get to see players they watched excel at the high school level.

Another crop of talent Montana may not be able to get at the FBS level: the “tweeners” who may be good enough to play at the FBS level, but choose to play in the FCS for an increase in playing and a better chance at winning.

Tyler Joyce, a senior linebacker who led the Griz in tackles in 2007, said he had opportunities to play football at Colorado University, Colorado State University and the University of Idaho.

"I chose to go to Montana because, first, I wanted to go somewhere where I felt wanted," Joyce said. "Second, I had the opportunity to play as a true freshman, and I wanted to win."
O'Day reasoned that factors like watching Montana players and the team’s readiness to compete would weigh heavily on the minds of the fans. When guessing what their stance on the issue would be, he said he “bet it favors, at least 10-to-1, to stay where we’re at.” Not quite.

In a poll on eGriz.com, a popular Internet message board for Montana Grizzlies diehards, 53 percent of the 128 people who responded said they would like to see the University of Montana move up to the FBS. It’s worth noting that this only represents the fanatics and not necessarily your average fan. However, they are passionate and opinionated.

“It's not just football for me,” an anonymous commenter said. “I'd like to see our basketball programs get into a higher profile basketball conference so they would have a chance for a 6 or 7 seed [in the NCAA Tournament]. As it is in the Big Sky, we were lucky to get a 12 a few years back and a 14 to 16 is the norm.”

If the Montana football team were to move to another conference, all other sports would be forced to come with. This may be best for revenue sports like football and men’s basketball but there are sports where, competitively, it wouldn’t even matter and may even hurt.

For example, in 2007, the Big Sky Conference actually had a higher RPI (a computerized ranking used to rate how well conferences and teams compare to each other) than the Western Athletic Conference when it came to women’s basketball. In men’s basketball, where the Big Sky is rated far lower than the WAC, the Montana Grizzlies beat conference powers Boise State and Nevada in the 2005-2006 and 2006-2007 seasons respectively.

O’Day said in Olympic sports like soccer, track and field and tennis, “we’re all pretty much on the same level.”

Football, however, is the money sport and there are a lot of obstacles in the way of a move. University President George Dennison would have to approve; then it would go to the Montana Board of Regents. It’s very possible the Board of Regents would turn down any move unless it included Montana State University tagging along. O’Day said he would be “very surprised” if the Board of Regents and State legislature allowed the Griz to move up without the Bobcats. O’Day said he believes the state would like to see the two teams playing in the same conference and division, where their century-old rival would mean more.

In 1996, a similar packaged deal was made with Boise State and the University of Idaho. Boise State has excelled since the move with seven conference championships (two in the Big West and five in the WAC) and a Fiesta Bowl win over Oklahoma. Meanwhile, Idaho has struggled.

“Obviously, we would’ve liked to have been more competitive in our revenue sports,” Idaho Athletic Director Rob Spears said.

Spears pointed to the school’s facilities as one of the reasons for a disappointing beginning in the Football Bowl Subdivision.

“In the past ten years, we didn’t do the things we needed to do to prepare to be in this league,” Spears said. “From 1982 until 2004, this athletic program did not do one facility enhancement. Had they been preparing for success over that twenty year span, it would’ve been a lot easier.”

Appalachian State Athletic Director Charlie Cobb, whose school has won three straight FCS National Championships, said facilities are currently a much higher priority than any potential move to the FBS.
Appalachian State is currently spending $50 million to enhance its facilities, including $35 million on 4,500 new seats for the football stadium and a 125,000 square foot athletic complex adjacent to the stadium.

“If you’re going to write anything,” he said, “say that we haven’t spent more than one second trying to decide whether we’re going to move up in the near foreseeable future.”

He pointed to the moratorium and the schools current budget as reasons to stay in the FCS. Appalachian State currently has an athletic budget of $11 million, about $500,000 less than Montana. Both Cobb and O’Day said their budgets would need to be about $16 million to compete in the FBS.

O’Day said improving athletic facilities is also a goal the University of Montana has focused on.

“Right now, you do your best to get your facilities in place because you can’t be running scared,” he said.

O’Day said facilities like a new locker room, an indoor practice facility, and a new academic center for athletes—all things the athletic department is working on—help draw in the best student-athletes.

Montana and Appalachian State do have some similarities in their hesitance towards moving up and attempts to ready themselves by building facilities but there are major differences.

Appalachian State tries to play one FBS team per year—a scheduling challenge issued to Cobb by head football coach Jerry Moore—and already has one on the schedule for four of the next six seasons, including a sure-to-be-hyped battle of national champions with reigning FBS champ LSU in 2008. Montana does not currently have any scheduled FBS opponents.

Also, Appalachian State currently supports 20 varsity sports, four more than what’s required to compete in an FBS conference. Montana only has 14 varsity sports.

Right now, University of Montana is not in a position to make the move or officially looking to do so. However it is tough to deny that the university and athletic department are doing their best to prepare, whether it’s intentional or not, for a move to the Football Championship Subdivision.

The fans should do so as well, not necessarily by dumping in money, but by savoring what we have now. The Grizzlies are at the top of their division, winning conference titles and competing for national championships every year. The administration is currently content with the football program staying in the Football Championship Subdivision, but eventually, their opinion and other circumstances may change.
“We will continue to improve facilities, build the program and do our best to make UM Athletics the special place it has become—knowing that some day we might have to make a decision that will affect the future of our athletics program and its fans,” O’Day said. 

“Only time will tell.  Stay tuned.”

Jim O'Day's second letter to students on The Zoo

Here's a letter from Jim O'Day to the students. It's the second time Jim O'Day has written such a letter. This time the marketing department had to take out a full page ad in the Kaimin.

Students Challenge For East Side Seats in Dahlberg Arena Falling Short

Last fall, I issued a challenge to the students at The University of Montana that would allow them the opportunity to return to the east side seats in Dahlberg Arena for Grizzly men’s basketball games for the first time in a decade. It was a challenge to re-energize the student section like the days of “The Zoo” from the early 1970s through 1999. Our goal was to average at least 700 students per home contests, and create a lively environment that would return Dahlberg Arena to the intimidating home-court arena it had been for the Grizzlies prior to the Adams Center renovation.

I envisioned a scene similar to that at Duke’s Cameron Indoor Stadium or the Kennel at Gonzaga University in Spokane. Instead, the numbers have been rather sporadic. Good student attendance was noted at the Colorado State game (1,140) when we experimented with re-locating the students to the east side seats on Nov. 9 and again for rival Montana State (1,131) when they remained in their current end zone sections on Feb. 9. (Incidentally, both were impressive victories by the home team). Aside from that, the most noticeable crowds were for Cal-State Fullerton (587 on Nov. 30) and the University of Portland (516 on Dec. 7). Since the Intersession break, the largest student attendance aside from MSU was for Eastern Washington on Thursday, Jan. 24 when 492 students went through the turnstiles. In our most recent games, we had 225 students for Sacramento State and 357 for Northern Arizona.

For the 13 home games thus far, we are averaging 432 students per game – or about 25 more per game than last year. For the 10 games outside of the Intersession period, the average is still only 517. That being said, it will take an impressive showing this week for Thursday’s game against Northern Colorado, and again Saturday night for league champion Portland State, for UM Athletics to take a serious look at moving our dedicated boosters away from the east side.

Let me be clear: I’d like nothing more than to re-visit the return of the students to those seats next year, but if they don’t show up now, it doesn’t make much financial sense. It wouldn’t be a battle I’m willing to wage – nor a very smart one. Remember, I’m also being tugged in another direction by loyal boosters who pay significant dollars to sit in those seats, who like the east side and its proximately to the playing floor. It isn’t an easy decision, unless, of course, the students chose not to attend the games.

There are two home games remaining. I challenge you to attend in big numbers, and make our decision tougher. Come out and support your peers, and create an atmosphere that is the envy of the Big Sky Conference. The players will appreciate it, the fans will enjoy it and we’ll all be winners. For those students who have loyally supported the team this year, I thank you – and acknowledge the effort you’ve made to get this challenge off the ground. Let’s hope more follow your lead this week.

Sincerely,

Jim O'Day
Director of Athletics
The University of Montana
Phone: 406.243.5348

Imagine, Missoula as a basketball town

On the Saturday of Cat-Griz, The Missoulian dared to run an article on basketball. While the article, titled "Football rules in town once known for hoops," is only half about basketball while the other half describes football's ascension, it's good to see this town's history of hoops get some press.

Whenever someone asks me about Griz basketball in comparison to football or tells me this is a football town and basketball will never make it, I always counter with something very similar to the lead of the article.

This was a basketball town 25 years ago. No ifs, no ands, no buts about it.

Missoula may not have been the most feared place on the planet for an opposing college basketball team to visit, but it ranked up there. The courtside student section filled to the gills an hour before tip-off, and thousands of town folk filed in behind them.

The atmosphere was electric. The crowds were both feared and revered by opposing coaches, who often talked about how basketball-savvy the fans here were.

For several years in the late 1970s and early 1980s, the Grizzly men averaged - averaged, mind you - more people at home basketball games than the current Dahlberg Arena (capacity: 7,500) can even hold. If today's basketball team sold out every single home game, it would still never touch a University of Montana attendance record.

Football, on the other hand?

There was a November day in the late 1970s that stands out, but only as a monument to Missoula's apathy toward Grizzly football back then.

It was the final home game of the regular season. It was cold, snowy, and the wind was howling through the unprotected bleachers at Dornblaser Stadium.

Less than 1,000 people showed up to watch Montana. Imagine that: A Grizzly home football game with more than 90 percent of the seats empty.

I encourage everyone to read the full article, which gives a great depiction of football's ascension in comparison to the fall in basketball. After the jump is one more excerpt, with O'Day describing his hopes for the future of basketball.

O'Day on the future of hoops:

But O'Day has made it clear he's prepared to seriously consider returning students to their old courtside section if they prove their interest this season.

In a “turn-back-the-clock” promotion for the season-opener against Colorado State, the students were given back their old seats for one night, and it seemed like old times. A crowd of 6,000 showed up, and spurred the Grizzlies to a 75-39 rollicking runaway.

“I did not believe the Zoo could make that big of a difference, but I believe it today,” says O'Day, who sat in the Zoo when he was a student at UM. “I still have to see it (larger student attendance at games the rest of the season), but I believe if they create an environment, others will follow.”

There is no rule, O'Day says, that a community has to prefer one sport over the other, that Missoula must choose between being a basketball town or a football town.

He believes it can be both.

“I really do,” O'Day says. “I know there are a lot of skeptics, and fans that support one or the other. But with a viable product, I think we can.”

Students to get a lot more football seats

Jim O'Day is already trying to give students better basketball seats. Now he's doing the same for football. This comes from an article in yesterday's Kaimin.

The expansion will provide about 700 new student seats by relocating some season ticket holders to the new area.  The student section will grow into the section next to it, wrapping further around the south side of the stadium to bring the total number of student seats to 4,000.

“It moves over one more entire section,” UM Athletics Director Jim O’Day said.  “We wanted (students) to be down low, and that’s where they wanted to be.”

So the students, in a way, get more than a third of the new expansion. We should've gone with the 5,000 seat option.

Letter to students from Jim O'Day

This letter is from Athletic Director Jim O'Day regarding fan support for basketball. The following words are all him.

UM Students Return To East Side Seats For CSU Game

A challenge has been issued to the students at The University of Montana. They will return to the east side seats in Dahlberg Arena for Friday night’s game between the Grizzlies and the Rams of Colorado State University. This will be the first time in more than a decade that UM students, cheerleaders, dance team and band will fill those prime seats and floor space across from the team benches.

The entire section will be occupied by UM students… just like it was during the time of Jud Heathcote, Jim Brandenburg, Mike Montgomery, Stew Morrill and Blaine Taylor.

I remind you that this is only an experiment. A final decision will not be made until the season concludes as to whether or not a permanent change is forthcoming. All will be determined by the atmosphere on Friday night – and a continuing emphasis by UM students to back the team in high numbers for the remainder of the 2007-08 men’s basketball season. This is the students’ chance to show they will support the program. If student involvement is noticeable, and there’s a noticeable difference in the excitement level, our athletics administration will have a tough decision ahead.

It’s an ideal time for this experiment. The game will be played on a Friday night; the opponent is a quality Mountain West Conference team with star players; the football team is on the road; it’s the official season opener; and there should be relatively few conflicts. We hope to pack the house. The student gate will open one-half hour earlier for UM students (5:30 p.m.) so they can get their east side, lower level seats. Pizza will served to these early fans, courtesy of President George Dennison.

It’s a time to “Turn Back the Clock” to see if that old energy can be restored. It’s a challenge to the students to return to the glory years of Micheal Ray Richardson, Ken McKenzie, Derrick Pope, Larry Krystkowiak and Wayne Tinkle… when students made a tremendous difference in each and every game… when “The Zoo” was a factor in the final outcome, and caused the opposition to make mistake after mistake. It was a time when the student fans demonstrated their creativity, i.e., reading newspapers during pre-game introduction of the visiting team, studying the opposing players’ habits and standing and screaming in support of the five Grizzly players on the court.

It’s a time to put Dahlberg Arena back on the map as a place where opponents prefer not to play, but the home team prospers because of its home court advantage. I would also hope that it returns as a venue where students line up early outside the building to get the best available seats in the house to cheer their beloved Griz basketball team to victory.

Together, let’s see if we can make this a positive experience for the Griz basketball program. It should be a special night to remember.

Sincerely,

Jim O’Day
Director of Athletics
The University of Montana

O'Day: neutral site games a real possibility down the road

I've ranted about this more than enough. The Griz football teams needs to schedule games against strong opponents in their non-conference schedule; not just to better the program, but the entire FCS. University of Montana athletic director Jim O'Day explained that there are so many things getting in the way of such games. The travel, the guaranteed money each team wants, the challenge of planning out games in following years, etc. Turns out there may be a smoother way to manage this stuff.

Upon hearing a rumor that UM may be playing Grambling State down in Vegas, I decided to email Jim again. The response wasn't what I was hoping for but it could've been worse.

[The Grambling game] was a possibility earlier, but doubtful at this time due to scheduling conflicts.  Maybe down the road something like this will happen.

This idea, with promoters pushing it and guarantees for both teams at a neutral site, could be a real positive for our division down the road.  It would allow some interesting cross-country rivalries to take place.

OK, so not being able to cheer on our Griz down in Sin City is a downer, but the fact that our AD is exploring every avenue for landing a challenging out of conference opponent is good to hear.

University of Montana signs marketing deal with Learfield Sports

The University of Montana athletic department has signed a deal with Learfield Sports, making them UM's "exclusive athletics marketing partner for stadium and arena sponsorship rights."

Here's Jim O'Day's explanation on the deal:

This is Phase I of the program with Learfield… they are only assuming the rights of Virtu Consulting… but this will allow us to re-negotiate the contract currently in place in Phase II. That contract has a lot of “gray area” that needs to be addressed. Ultimately, it will allow the marketing folks to “market” the program --- and not have to worry about finding sponsors, etc. That will be the job of Learfield…. And they are very skilled in that area. It will also allow us to market UM Athletics more proficiently.

Up to this point, what I've seen of the marketing department has been pretty disappointing. They didn't want to take many risks and didn't have original ideas. This should free them up to take a few chances and try things others haven't tried.

Griz take their cupcakes and eat them too

The University of Montana football program is just fine playing lackluster non-conference games. Why shouldn't they be? The Griz could play anyone and 23k would show up, sporting all maroon if that's what the marketing department called for. On top of that, playing Sisters of the Poor Nunnery year after year increases the odds of more home playoff games. More home playoff games means more money.

Joe Kusek of the Billings Gazette points to one place where it may have started.

Coach after coach pointed out it doesn't matter who you play, a loss is a loss and a loss means a drop in the national rankings. And the farther down you are in the national rankings, the less chance of hosting a home playoff game or two.

Plus, more players get an opportunity to get on the field in those blowout wins. And when those players get called upon later in the season because of injury situations, they'll be more prepared.

The longer I watched, the more I understood the thinking.

In 1991, the Grizzlies traveled to Louisiana for consecutive road games at Louisiana Tech and McNeese State. UM lost both.

The first words from Don Read when the team returned? "Never again," replied the popular coach.

When Wayne Hogan was the athletic director, he discussed bringing the top I-AA teams to Missoula as a way to reward UM's devoted fans. But that talk eventually faded and Hogan resigned amid budget problems.

Now we're back to schedules that Read would love.

The don't want to play these teams because they don't want the losses. I mean it makes sense that a coach doesn't want his team playing tough opponents on the road in back-to-back games. But why not a home and home? It was on the table with Appalachian State but things fell through.

Here is the reasoning from Jim O'Day.

Would love to play App State, but the cost may be too high for both schools. Trouble flying in and out of Boone and Missoula. We both estimate about $125,000… which most likely won’t be doable for either this year as we try to pay our bills. The cost of travel to some of these “remote” places is making scheduling more and more challenging and difficult. Everyone has to pay their bills, and wants some money in return for making the trip. Boise is paying in the neighborhood of $185,000 for a guarantee game, and we’re already at $125,000 being offered… with few takers. They say it would cost almost that much just to fly into Missoula and pay accompanying bills.

O'Day went into further detail on the issue. I suggest reading the if full letter you haven't already.

In response, I believe the Griz will eventually take chances on playing tougher opponents. I'm not completely sure, but I've heard there is a rule forbidding the athletic department or the school in general go in the red.

Just a few years removed from going seven figures into debt, O'Day is understandable timid towards taking financial risks. With time, this should fade. Hauck is on his way out. One more winning season and he should have a job elsewhere. Then there are two options for the next coach. The yes-man who comes in, keeps playing practice squads or the brash guy who wants to make an impact. The guy who wants to schedule Georgia Southern, Appalachian and Boise State in back to back weeks all while begging to move up. I hope for the latter.

New Griz football unis will be unveiled at Great Griz Encounter

I exchanged emails with Jim O'Day on Friday and he said the new Griz football uniforms will be on display Thursday, August 23 at the Great Griz Encounter.

Actually had a chance to see the new uniforms, and they look pretty close to the replica jerseys --- except maybe the sleeves. Looked good … both white and maroon.

At first glance, the new jerseys looked pretty lame but the more I see them, the more attractive they get. If basic uniforms like these are good enough for Texas, Oklahoma, USC, and the Indianapolis Colts then we should be fine.

O'Day says new replica isn't the exact same as final product

For all the Griz fans that already ordered their replica jerseys, it might be time to panic. University of Montana AD Jim O'Day says he's not sure the new replica posted last week is the exact same as the new official uniforms.

Don’t believe the uniforms have been sent yet. Equipment Manager Steve Hackney has also been on vacation – so they may be packed away at this time. However, they do not look exactly like the version I say (saw?) when ordering. For example, don’t know if the number has been put on the sleeves… although that could have been a late change. Lettering, etc., also look different… so no, I don’t think this is a replica of the exact jersey.

Now this may be a little fib to keep us on our toes and give the actual announcement a bit of excitement. Then again, it could be completely true and a bunch of people ordered jerseys that will never be worn by UM. If anyone did this and bought Orlando Magic tickets after Billy Donovan was hired, you win a prize.

UPDATE: The new uniforms have arrived but have not been unpacked yet. O'Day has not seen the pants yet but can confirm that the helmets are not changing.

Qwenton Freeman was there and no one wants to talk about it

This keeps getting worse. I would say 'wow, this is what it must be like to be a Bengals fan' but none of them them were suspected of shooting someone in the chest -- or eye, depending on the story. Turns out fellow Griz cornerback Qwenton Freeman was there when Jimmy did what he did. The Missoulian reports that LAPD investigators have flown up from Los Angeles to follow up on some leads and talk to Griz football players. It hasn't gone so well.

“Basically, we were just looking for cooperation from the players, especially if someone witnessed the incident,” [Sgt. Steve Rubino] said. “It just appeared that the players didn't really want to comment too much.

“It left a bad taste in our mouth that the players wouldn't cooperate with us. If it was on the other foot and their teammate got killed, they would be really forthcoming,” said Rubino, who returned to Los Angeles on Wednesday night. “Someone got murdered here and we're just looking for some cooperation. If it was one of their players, my phone would be ringing off the hook.”

The players are now -- like just about always-- under a gag order forbidding them from speaking to the media. They must be so used to keeping their mouthes shut that they can't open them when they need to. No guys, this isn't Fritz Neighbor asking you whether or not Cole Bergquist has the number one spot on the QB depth chart locked up. It's the LAPD asking if you can help them figure out who killed someone's dad. Turns out Freeman could be taken into custody if he continues to be uncooperative. Good.

Freeman (right) is originally from Pasadena, but his mother lives in Lancaster, near where the murder took place. He first played ball at a community college, then was going to play at U-Dub but couldn't meet the academic requirements. Next was the University of Arizona, where he practiced but never made the squad. However, there is one interesting nugget of information from his tenure there I don't think many Griz fans knew.

In April 2006, Freeman was arrested for assault and criminal trespassing, both misdemeanors, by the University of Arizona Police Department.

Although details on the offenses were not available late Thursday, Freeman was convicted on the assault charge in Pima County Consolidated Justice Courts and was subsequently sentenced to a diversion program under the University of Arizona's supervision.

A diversion program is similar to community service. There was never any disposition in the trespassing case, according to records.

Because he did not complete the required community service, Freeman has two active warrants for his arrest out of Pima County, Ariz.

Isn't this fun? Us Griz fans were bickering over the move to I-A because there wasn't much to talk about besides all the Cat stuff. Well now we have something to call our own. Gee, this is swell.

Of course the administration is doing as their players have done and holding up in their office like they were hiding from a nuclear attack.

UM football coach Bobby Hauck and athletic director Jim O'Day did not return repeated phone calls from the newspaper Thursday. Hauck has declined all requests for interviews since the allegations against Wilson surfaced, directing media inquiries to UM executive vice president Jim Foley.

Foley said he would not comment on Freeman's status on the football team, or about UM football players' unwillingness to cooperate with the Los Angeles homicide investigators. Nor would he discuss the standards of conduct to which UM holds its student-athletes.

“Officially, we're not going to comment on an ongoing criminal matter that's in the California criminal courts. Period,” Foley said.

I don't know why but this conjures up images of George Costanza holding out in his extra large handicap bathroom. Someone needs to say something because if this type of information keeps filtering out through the press, it's only going to get worse. It appears as though the administration thinks they can keep the news from coming out through the media. Not going to happen. If Griz fans keep learning more discouraging news from strong reporting instead of honest coaches and administrators, this is going to leave a pretty nasty stain on the program. Plus, look at how it worked out for George.

The Zoo could be coming back

The first Griz basketball game I attended was in the fall of '05 against Stanford. Since then I've been obsessed. Like nerds and World of Warcraft obsessed. Everyone else, not so much. The game was unbelievable. It was like playing a basketball game inside a packed Metrodome. You know, like it was when Kirby played. Those who filled Dahlberg that night showed that Griz fans are some of the best in the country -- when they're motivated.

Since then, there hasn't been a game where the crowd -- and the student section especially -- has reached the same excitement level. Outside of a few select games,  the '05-'06 season was disappointing from an atmosphere perspective. The team played great but fans didn't come in earnest until the meaningless regular season finale against NAU. I didn't get it. After football season and the Stanford upset, I thought obsessive insane fans were the norm out here. That wasn't the case for hoops.

Turns out it wasn't always this way. Hoops used to be big, real big. Bigger than football. The students used to stand in the courtside seats, not sit in the baseline bleachers. The frenzied pack of undergrads was dubbed "The Zoo." Since then, the students were moved and "The Zoo" disappeared along with the overwhelming enthusiasm for the basketball program.

Well, The Zoo may be on it's way back. This comes from Griz basketball head coach Wayne Tinkle:

We are planning on putting them there for the CSU game, and IF there is a great showing we’ll entertain the idea of putting them there for the MSU game. We really need to make a push for the students to show up in droves in order to influence the administration. I believe the lack of student participation has severely declined since the late 80’s…due to multiple factors. I know that we coach’s are working hard to make it exciting now the fans need to buy in and stir up the frenzy!

It's tough not to look ahead to a time when the students are back where they belong. However, UM Athletic Director Jim O'Day points out some big issues that may prevent a permanent move.

We have many issues to consider first, such as hearing from those who pay higher prices to sit there, and what to do about the media tables … or more importantly, what to do about the signage for the corporate sponsors. Where can we put them? Also, we have to look at court space for adding additional media benches on the west side if such a decision is made… to make sure we have enough room for the teams. We are looking at all avenues --- and may only be able to do it for one game, if at all, this year, as an experiment.

Oh no, not this again, right? Just like all the roadblocks preventing a move to the FBS, there's financial stuff with this too. Well, don't fret too much, O'Day seems to be a bit more enthused about this idea.

As a former member of “The Zoo” while in college, I know how special that was… and if we do it and the students are challenged to fill the seats and create atmosphere, we’d have to look at a permanent situation if it made a difference. If we took such a gamble, I would only hope that the students would respond in force… to demonstrate interest for men’s basketball.

So it's all up to those it benefits the most. Let's do this students.

Griz AD Jim O'Day's take on moving up

As all things Grizzly seem to be at a stand still, one discussion continues to stagnate. The topic of that discussion is whether or not the University of Montana football team should make the jump to Football Bowl Subdivision (I-AA to I-A). Every eGrizzer has heard all the arguments and most are pretty sick of it, but they haven't heard Athletic Director Jim O'Day's take on the situation. For as much as the fans talk about it, you'd think the administration would discuss the matter once in a while. Nope.

"No, we really don’t spend much time discussing this issue. It, most likely, would have to be made by the university, then the Board of Regents, and possibly, the state legislature," said O'Day. "At this time, there does not seem much interest by any of the decision-makers to even look at a move – or even talk about it. I haven’t heard anything."

In an exchange of emails, O'Day pointed to some of the issues most eGrizzers have raised. Starting with, 'which conference would the Griz go to?'

"If you did move to the Football Bowl Subdivision (I-A), which conference affiliation would you be aligned with? That is a big question mark and would be critical in the decision-making process," said O'Day. "It’s hard enough to schedule now… let alone if you’re an independent."

O'Day also posed the question of whether or not this would mean less Montana kids making it on the team. He offered no answer because no one really can. He pointed to Robin Selvig's success building a competitive program with local kids but also stated "that would be hard to duplicate if you were starting from scratch today."

O'Day brought an issue I haven't heard much about: the fact that most I-A conferences require 16 varsity sports. We only have 14.

"Which sports would you add (the minimum is 16, and UM currently offers 14) – and where would the money come to pay for the needed facilities, scholarships, travel, coaches salaries, etc." asked O'Day.

"Right now, the UM Athletics budget is approximately $11.5 million. To move into I-A (we are in I-A in all sports except for football) would probably result in a budget of at least $16 million … to even be competitive. Would fans be willing to pay considerably more to watch these teams in football and men’s and women’s basketball. Hard to say. It is very doubtful taxpayers would be willing to make up the difference."

A solution I've proposed before was that the UM athletic program take something of a financial hit to play some lower I-A or WAC teams, just to see how we would stack up against potential competition. O'Day thoroughly explained why this may be very tough to do.

His exact response: "As for scheduling, it is becoming increasingly demanding – for all of our revenue-producing sports. Few want to play a top I-AA opponent in football, and others don’t want to travel to a Big Sky Conference school to play basketball unless they’re rewarded with healthy financial guarantees (say $50,000 for men’s basketball --- and right now we can only afford $15,000 ---- Wyoming paid us $55,000 last year). Many conferences are now establishing policy to not allow their schools to play football at the home sites of FCS schools --- especially ones like Montana, Appalachian State, Georgia Southern, etc. They really have nothing to gain. As far as game guarantees are concerned, we’re already paying large sums to get other I-AA schools here. For example, we’re paying Albany $125,000 to come to Missoula… while Boise State is offering slightly more at $175,000 to Weber State (who can make some money by busing as opposed to flying). Appalachian State paid Northern Arizona $175,000 to travel to the east coast… The trip alone will cost NAU at least $100,000… resulting in a net $75,000 --- or about the same as one of their home games. Currently, UM home conference games “net” us about $350,000 --- with any non-league guarantee taken out of that figure… Thus, Albany will help our bottom line in our financial picture by about $225,000. It is a “must” that we do our best to meet our budgetary needs – and that becomes increasingly more challenging each day with mounting expenses for salaries, travel, utilities, etc."

O'Day went on to acknowledge that the FBS scene "is not a rosy one." O'Day said he is meeting with the FBS Athletic Directors in Florida this week and "we may know more after that."

"In the meantime, we will continue to improve facilities, build the program and do our best to make UM Athletics the special place it has become --- knowing that some day we might have to make a decision that will affect the future of our athletics program and its fans. Only time will tell. Stay tuned."

NAU snatches up App. St game

It is now official: Northern Arizona will play defending FCS National Champion Appalachian State on September 15. It was rumored that the Griz were interested in such a match-up but it never really panned out as the logistics didn't work for either school.

For those of you wondering why the Griz has such an awful schedule this year and why UM is not playing the Mountaineers, I point to a previous entry containing an email with UM AD Jim O'Day.

Here's a brief excerpt with O'Day's words on Appalachian State. For other information, read the complete email.

Would love to play App State, but the cost may be too high for both schools. Trouble flying in and out of Boone and Missoula. We both estimate about $125,000… which most likely won’t be doable for either this year as we try to pay our bills. The cost of travel to some of these “remote” places is making scheduling more and more challenging and difficult. Everyone has to pay their bills, and wants some money in return for making the trip. Boise is paying in the neighborhood of $185,000 for a guarantee game, and we’re already at $125,000 being offered… with few takers. They say it would cost almost that much just to fly into Missoula and pay accompanying bills.

It's really disappointing that even though we have some of the best attendance in all of the FCS, money was a deciding factor in whether or not this match-up occurred. It's kind of frustrating when you remember that—I believe this is true, comment if I'm wrong— the trip to Flagstaff is about as difficult as it gets.

O'Day: Money may be too great an obstacle for game between Appalachian St and UM

I mentioned earlier in the week that there was a strong possibility that Appalachian State, back-to back FCS National Champions, would be coming to Missoula during the 2007 season. I exchanged emails with AD Jim O'Day earlier today and it looks like the matchup is unlikely for a wide variety of reasons.

I have only skimmed his response and wanted to get it up as soon as possible before doing any real analysis or stating my opinion.

His email, in its entirety, is after the jump.


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Would love to play App State, but the cost may be too high for both schools. Trouble flying in and out of Boone and Missoula. We both estimate about $125,000… which most likely won’t be doable for either this year as we try to pay our bills. The cost of travel to some of these “remote” places is making scheduling more and more challenging and difficult. Everyone has to pay their bills, and wants some money in return for making the trip. Boise is paying in the neighborhood of $185,000 for a guarantee game, and we’re already at $125,000 being offered… with few takers. They say it would cost almost that much just to fly into Missoula and pay accompanying bills.

Because of our deficit, we were forced the past four years to buy out “return trips” to Hofstra, Cal Poly and South Dakota State (plus two more home games vs. Central Washington) – which hasn’t made UM very popular- and the word spreads. However, you have to do what you have to do to keep the program up and running. First Wayne Hogan had to make that decision, then Don Read, and now, me. By getting out of the deficit this year – and having more funding from the payoff of the north end zone and new stadium suite leases (first time in 20 years), we will see some light at the end of the tunnel. Fiscal Year 2007-08, however, is all about funding. Without the Griz-Cat game in Missoula (we net about $500,000 from that game) and a Division I guarantee (we netted about $500,000 from the Iowa game), we find ourselves battling a funding imbalance next year. In addition, by paying off the debt, we will no longer receive the $4/student football ticketing fee, nor much of the deficit elimination money (Collegiate Licensing, concessions, license plates, Coke contract), which will be significantly reduced, plus rent and other expenses are expected to increase by about $100,000. Thus, expenses will be increased somewhat, and revenues will be decreased. The difference is about a $500,000-$600,000 nut that we are facing…. And working through. It will, however, prevent us from paying a larger guarantee to someone wanting to come to Missoula this year…. Thus the reasons why we probably can’t provide someone like Appalachian State with enough to get here and still allow them to make money.

A lot of the top tier Football Championship Subdivision schools are having similar scheduling problems. Home games mean a lot to them, and thus, they are having to pay out guarantees or work out other funding options. At last count, App had two games still to schedule, Cal Poly had three (and needs all at home, plus they’re offering a guarantee of $90,000) and North Dakota State had four. It’s also harder for those of us in the Western United States because of the few I-AA opponents out here. Others are willing to play, but want us to go there first because of past history. At this point, I have two options: Find a I-AA to come to Missoula for an acceptable price, or play a I-A guarantee on the road – leaving us with six home games. There are very few Division I guarantees out there willing to talk to us. Most are scheduled through 2011 (last year was an exception because the 12th game ruling didn’t come down until January so they were all scrambling to find another game --- and a home game to those schools means significant dollars…. Iowa probably netted around $2.5 million playing the Griz). Except for the larger schools, most I-A guarantees range in the neighborhood of $150,000-$250,000… and we currently net about $300,000 for a home football game, depending on the guarantee we might have to pay out. Some of the Division I schools are also very particular as to whom they are willing to play… who wants to be the next Colorado or New Mexico to lose to a talented I-AA school at home? Disaster! Minnesota almost did the same last year with North Dakota State before escaping with a 10-9 win when NDSU had a short field goal blocked late in the game. Instead, they’d rather play a guaranteed win for a smaller fee… thus, making larger profits. We all look at “net” to the program, thus meaning those who are able to fly out of and into large metropolitan areas (even to the extent of Spokane, Portland and Salt Lake), as well as those where you can bus (most East Coast teams, plus Northern Arizona – Phoenix or Tucson) don’t need as much guarantee to make it work. This is different for Montana and Montana State, where expenses to fly in and out of this state are extremely high.

Economically, we have to be very sensitive to decisions made in the past that backfired. We have many people watching our financial situation very closely --- all the way up to the Regent level. We can not get out of hand as in the past when we made very expensive (and money-losing) trips to Hawaii, Hofstra and Maine --- and didn’t have the revenue streams to offset these high travel expenses. Down the road, we should be in much better position to do so. That being said, we are looking at some good home-and-home games with I-AA opponents, and most likely will have to get into some type of guarantee for our final game this year – which limits teams willing to come to Missoula.

It gets more and more challenging and complicating by the year… but we all learn a lot…. Especially from some schools whose coaches definitely do not want to see Montana on their schedule – both at the I-A and I-AA level. Scheduling is also becoming tougher and tougher for men’s and women’s basketball for the Griz teams as Robin Selvig and Wayne Tinkle will attest. It’s a new era.

Quotes on Quinn

Here's what Hauck and Quinn had to say on the hogmolly's (no, I do not like Corso) transfer from Oklahoma:

"J.D. has paid a heavy price for a mistake that he made at the University of Oklahoma," said Griz coach Bobby Hauck. "He lost his academic aid and opportunity to play football there and will walk on to our team and try to earn a scholarship."

"I would like to thank coach Hauck and his staff, and the people of Montana, for giving me a second chance to fix a bad situation that I created at Oklahoma," Quinn said. "I am looking forward to playing football for the Grizzlies and I hope that happens soon."

"This situation gives us all an opportunity to reflect on how damaging rule infractions can be to a program and a student athlete," O'Day said.

This was from the AP article on ESPN.com. The article also pointed out that Quinn will start practice on Monday.

Lets all hope that Karl Tyler isn't too huge of a Griz fan; at least not big enough to employ J.D.