Griz basketball @ Santa Clara: live blog
Tonight the Griz play the 6-3 Broncos of the West Coast Conference. The Griz have lost three straight and come into the matchup at 5-5 looking to get a win before finishing off the road trip against Cal State Fullerton.
As always, the grizzlyjournal has an excellent preview on the game.
Tonight I'll be running a live blog on the game. I've done this before, but never without TV. I'll be listening to the radio broadcast over the web and offering up any comments and insight I have. On top of that, Glenn Junkert, author of the grizzlyjournal, will be chiming in as well.
It all starts after the jump. Feel free to add whatever comments you have.
Pregame
Colin: Obviously, the Griz need a win bad. Picking up these next two would be huge for the Griz's confidence heading towards conference play. Everyone knows this. Anyway, here's the lineup I'd start if I ran the show:
1-Cam Rundles
2-Ryan Staudacher
3-Jordan Hasquet
4-Andrew Strait
5-Brian Qvale
The Griz need to go big to battle huge John Bryant (6'10", 305 lbs, 20.7 ppg) and Martin would be great coming off the bench. I'm not saying Stads is more valuable out there. I just think Martin's fire and swagger would be perfect coming off the bench. Second guy off the bench: probably Sharpie to help out on Bryant. Third off the bench: Graves. This kid needs minutes like the Chicago Bears need a new quarterback. No, I won't let MNF be a distraction during the game. Graves needs minutes because quick guards killed this team in their loss to Pacific (see video).
Glenn: Ok. Before this game even starts, my hope is that Brian Qvale gets the opportunity to match up against the Broncos' 310 lb, 6'10" center John Bryant. I firmly believe Griz are a couple pieces away from cementing into a solid team heading toward conference play. One of them is more game experience from Qvale. The more minutes he gets, the more opportunities he'll get to show what he can do. Waging battle with Bryant is an ideal opportunity for Qvale.
Colin: Agreed. I think this matchup is going to be a great test for Qvale. It'll be interesting to see how their styles of play factor into this. Qvale is a quick, agile big who goes for a lot of blocks. I do not know for sure but going in, I'm imagining Bryant as a player similar to UCLA's Kevin Love, except 50 pounds heavier. Not really quick but more powerful. He can back you down so that your head is touching the net then lay it up and in. It'll be interesting to see if Qvale can get some points and rebounds down at the other end of the court.
Colin: Still waiting on the audio feed.
Colin: Alright, here's an alternative to the audio feed because the one from MontanaGrizzlies.com isn't up yet. Heard tinks Briefly mention he wanted to run. That'd be great. Hope he has the personnel in there to do it.
Colin: Broadcasters point out we gotta make Bryant run. He's only playing 25 minutes a game so endurance is obviously an issue... woah, wait, Tinks car got broken into. Wow. Talk about a bad omen.
'Squets injury is going to be interesting. As they noted, Griz did not practice yesterday.
Glenn: Former Griz Mike Warhank, a guest color analysis commentator for Mick Holien, made a good point on the pre-game show. If the Griz can push the pace with every chance they get, they might have success in the low blocks. Andrew Strait runs the floor well, and can be very effective in the early offense. If the Griz can force the Broncos into a "faster than normal" transition game with sideline entry passes to Andrew, they could open the game up a bit.
First Half
20:00 0-0
Colin: Cameron sits to start again. Same lineup as last game. Qvale-Strait-Jordo-Martin-Stads.
19:00 4-0 Broncos
Colin: Qvale apparently got a bad call on a block and picked up a foul. Hopefully the officiating is better than last game. This isn't a great start. Looks like Broncos are willing to foul and be physical.
Glenn: Good to hear that Jordan Hasquet is starting, playing on his gimpy ankles.
4-3 Broncos after Hasquet 3, good call by Glenn
Colin: Arena seems very dead. Not much atmosphere whatsoever. I believe attendance is close to what it was at Pacific but sounds much more quiet. Students must be gone.
17:02 6-3 Broncos
8-3 After a Dunk
8-5 after bunny by Drew
Colin: Really would prefer to see the Griz take control of a game. Seems as though it always starts out like this with a medium sized deficit.
10-5 with 15:12
Colin: Hopefully the Griz can come out of the break with some fire. Look to see Cam or Graves (PLEASE). Need some fire. This is where you need the Chavez.
Colin: Cam does come in. Hopefully he can give the Griz what they need. Sharpie comes in as well. Still 10-5.
Glenn: Single-shot possessions won't do on the road. Griz will need to get some offensive boards for second shots.
Colin: Agreed. We need some offensive boards. That as Qvale checks back in. Going to be tough with Bryant.
10-6 as Ceylon Elgin-Taylor checks in
Colin: Griz seem to be drawing quite a few fouls. Hopefully someone important is getting in trouble.
11-8 after a pair of Sharp FTs
Glenn: An aside on the game: Mike Warhank is an excellent color commentator. Great observations.
Colin: Agreed. I have a terrible memory, I believe Mick was all alone last year. Mike is filling in great with the color.
It's now 11-10 with 11:00 to go, hopefully the Griz can come out of the break and make a run. One Chavez candidate is in in: Spurgetis.
Glenn: Correct with your earlier post suggesting that Zach Graves & Greg Spurgetis get more playing time. Both have energy & can help the Griz in important areas of the game.
Colin: Dave is checking in. This should be interesting. We'll see what type of minutes he can earn against possibly the best center we've seen this year.
19-10 Broncos after a pair of threes and a layup
Colin: Wow, exactly what we weren't supposed to do. Johnson has ONLY made three point shots. It's not like all 4 of his makes. It's all 15+ of the shots he's made. Amazing. Get Graves to chase that kid around.
Glenn: The three-point bugaboo is biting the Griz again.
Colin: That and missing easy shots. Come on fellas. Cannot do that when the Broncos are shooting so well.
Now 22-10 after another trey with about 8:00 to play
Colin: Boy does this seem familiar. Griz let medium lead grow due to three pointers for them and missing open shots. We need to come out on fire. Revamped. Come on Tinks, toss in something else if this isn't working. Insanity: trying the same thing over and over while expecting different results. The Griz need to show they're not insane... that'd be a good start.
Glenn: I think Mike lives in the area and is just serving as a guest for these two games.
Colin: We could use him full-time. Great insight.
22-11 after Strait makes a FT... then fouls someone on the other end
Colin: This is pretty much echoing Mike, the Griz are pretty much letting Santa Clara run their offense however they want. Get Graves in there. We need someone to get in passing lanes and screw them up a bit.
Lead is all the way up to 13 after FTs
Glenn: Disappointing start against an opponent I figured would be a decent mark. It's obvious the Griz aren't handling the Broncos inside-outside game.
Lead down to 11
Now 9 after Hasquet jumper
Colin: It's looking like Hasquet might have to carry us again. Who knows if he can on those ankles. Why Martin is still in there with this lead is beyond me. He is a great offensive player. We need a little D with the way the Broncos are shooting.
Lead all the way back to 13 after missed Martin 3 and Bryant layup... Strait gets a lay-in to move it back down to 11... but then someone rolls down the lane again.
Colin: What the hell. Get someone in there who can prevent people from walking down the lane. This is kind of a joke. The only way our D up the middle gets worse is if we put down a trampoline around the free throw line and they can just jump over us and dunk it.
Glenn: Can't see it, but it appears the Broncos are getting high post screens for easy penetration by their guards.
Colin: Yep. Mick says there's no real sense of purpose... or something close. BRING IN THE BENCH GUYS. We need some fire. We've done this over, and over, and over again. We need quick or passionate guards. Someone rip Graves' and Greg's sweats off and shove them in the game.
Colin: Mike points to lack of effort. This is unbelievable. We need new guys if this continues. The end of bunch guys are starving for minutes. STARVING. You think effort will be a question of effort there? I doubt it.
Glenn: Andrew is playing the post well tonight. But the Griz won't make any headway without someone stepping up to make some threes. Hasquet just collects his third pf.
Colin: Agreed. Don't want to see us get too dependent on that though. And they get a rebound on a free throw. Yeah, effort is definitely an issue.
1:35... 31-19
Colin: Mike says "there are driving lanes to the basket." Really, tell me I'm wrong. Tell me Graves shouldn't be in this game.
Glenn: Hmmm. Mike Warhank suggests the Griz guards have lanes to the basket. That suggests tentative play by Griz guards.
Colin: Wonder if the injury is affecting Cam. Last season he'd drive without abandon. He's been more of a shooter this year. Significantly hinders what used to be a very dynamic style of play.
33-20 at Half
Colin: That really couldn't have gone a whole lot worse. It was exactly what we've seen in our bad losses.
Colin: "Tell me what you're up to Mike"... "Well, I'm actually talking to O'Day about getting my old job back. Tinkle said he'd be fine moving back to assistant." Maybe he just takes over for one half. I'm not normally one to rail on a coach but I don't like the way this first half has been handled. The same thing keeps happening and we keep trying the same faulty solutions.
Glenn: Don't have to go any farther than the stat line: Santa Clara is shooting 52 percent from the field and 100 percent from three-point range with 22 rebounds. The Grizzlies are shooting 29.2 percent from the field, 14.3 percent from three-point range, and have 10 rebounds. If the Bronco hadn't turned the ball over six times the margin could be even greater. I don't like to think this, but the Grizzlies are starting to show the same pattern of logging disastrous halves of play much like they did last year. This is the fourth time this year they've shown this pattern.
Second Half
Colin: Griz need to come out and play a totally different game while hoping the Broncos do the same. We need a great pep talk and some phenomenal adjustments.
Colin: Mick says "you can see the energy on offense"... great... until Strait misses a lay-up.
Glenn: The Griz are shooting 55 percent from the free throw line, which is another puzzling up & down stat.
Lead is 16 after a 3 point play... then Staudacher makes a trey.
Colin: Really sounds like the Griz have some fire now. Still not making their shots though. Sounds like they are trying to run it and get to the rim. You can hear Marso screaming 'GO!'
40-25 with about 16 minutes left
Colin: If the Griz don't make a big run this will go down as an L. Chipping away is just not going to work. We need a series of stops and a lot of makes.
Lead is 16...12 after solid plays by Sharp and Rundles...13:57
Glenn: Judging by the audience, it sounds like the Griz have pretty good crowd supporting them.
Colin: Hopefully we can show them a win. Nothing like walking out of an opposing arena with a win while dressed in garb from the visiting team.
One FT pushes lead back to 13
Colin: Mick says Jordo's ankle isn't bothering him at all. Good to hear. Don't want any lingering injuries.
Colin: Seems like we're forcing put-backs a little too hard. Need to reset more. We did on the last possession after getting a second offensive rebound. Good to see the Griz hitting the glass after an abysmal first half in that category.
Glenn: Even Mick Holien is making critical comments about the Grizzlies' tentative, "lazy" play. Ouch.
Colin: He also points out that we are not picking up getting any momentum and cannot make two shots in a row. The Broncos travel on two consecutive possessions. Need to capitalize on TOs like these.
Stads puts down a 3 as the Griz cut it to ten with close to 10:00 left
Colin: Here's the goal for rallying. Just be calm, try to keep it so you're down that fewer points than minutes left.
Glenn: Would love to see Ryan Staudacher have a "break-out" game from long range.
Colin: We need it. We need someone to be there.
Lead is back to 12 after Bryant basket
Goaltending as it's back to 14
Staudacher missed 3 and Broncos run down and get to the line
Colin: This is awful. Griz make the tiniest run then give it all back and then some. No rhythm, confidence, momentum.
Lead is at 16 with 8:18 left
Colin: Running out of minutes. Pace is way off. Down twice as many points as minutes. Great.
14 after Cam FTs about 8:00 left... Cam hits a 3 and it's 11
Colin: Real risky shot by Cam. Lucky it goes down. Now Graves comes in. This should be interesting.
Glenn: Sure is nice that Cam's playing with energy once again. It might be a sign he's getting past his foot injury. Your guy's subbing in, Colin.
Colin: Not gonna lie, I'm kind of nervous.
Lead is back to 13 after a pair of FTs
Colin: Real young line-up down the stretch. This will be very very interesting. Wow, missed front end of one and one by Hasquet. FTs kill us and whatever momentum we have. It happens in almost every game.
Cam throws one away and Broncos get 2 more... back to 15... then makes a runner at the other end.
Colin: Maybe Cam should be taking/making more shots early. Didn't he do this the other night in Portland?
Strait picks up fouls on the offensive and defensive ends... lead goes to 16 as Bryant makes a pair of FTs then Stads hits a 3, it's 12.
Colin: We're getting homered again. Not that it'd help that much but come on. Can't put us down even further.
Down by 10 with 4:01 left..now 8... Griz get a stop and over-the-top foul on Santa Clara
Colin: Not sure if we're shooting FTs coming down but we NEED points. Either two makes at the line or a big shot. A three would be beyond massive. If Stads makes it his starting spot is cemented.
Glenn: A good late-game run, fueled by Cameron. I'm reading some stuff into this, but if Cameron's taking control, that's a good sign.
Colin: I agree. He's turned it over a couple times but made up for it on following possessions. We need him to play this way the entire game.
Jordo misses the front end of a one and one again... 3:00 left and still down 8... 10 as Bryant gets another one.
Colin: Tough basket there. Leads to an MT miss.
Still 8 with less than 2:00 left
Colin: It was there for the taking. I'm not sure it is anymore. Mike Montgomery even left.
Griz get a couple of turnovers but cannot convert.
Colin: That's game. I think. Another Griz miss.
Another turnover by Santa Clara leads to zero Griz points
Colin: The game was there and we didn't go out and take it. Just needed to make a fun more shots run a few better sets and we're right there.
Santa Clara 60, Griz 49 Final.
Postgame
Colin: The Griz lose their fourth in a row and fall below .500 for the first time with a record of 5-6. Just not a good game whatsoever. There were a few extremely short stretches where we played well but never could put together enough solid possessions. There was certainly a time in the second half when the Griz could've got back in the game but they didn't jump on it. There didn't seem to be the clutch mentality and determination to pull out a come-from-behind victory.
Glenn: The best game plan in the world won't work when your team shoots 33 percent from the field and 53 percent from the free throw line. Am I correct? -- The Griz get two 1-and-1 opportunities with the lead down to 8 points and they can't convert.
But still, they play the Broncos even in the second half. But another 20-point first half (the last time they did that was at home against the Portland Pilots) is a tough hole to crawl out of.
Colin: Agreed. The Griz didn't have what was needed to jump on a team when they had a chance. I don't know if it was effort, endurance or what. You can't play all your games at home and you can't get long breaks between every game. I don't know why the broadcasters are blaming the legs at times when the Griz played great in the final two days of the Spokane tournament. Just poor shooting, poor effort.
Glenn: I was pretty encouraged after the Grizzlies battled to overtime against Pacific. This game's a big setback. It'll be interesting to hear what coach Tinkle has to say. Of course it doesn't get any easier on Thursday.
Glenn: Did Tyler Hurley suit up? Was he even there? The official statistics indicate Hurley was suited up.
Colin: Not sure. I didn't hear anything about that.
Tinkle sounds pretty somber. Said he found a combination that might've worked... when was that? Graves maybe. I'm not going to say that. We came back for like two minutes. Tinkle sounds pleased with the play of Spurgetis and Graves. We'll see what that does. We're going to have to toss everything we have at Fullerton if we don't want to go to 5-7.
Well, that's it for me. The game was a major disappointment with very little positives. I want to thank Glenn Junkert for helping me out and sharing his thoughts on the game. Check out his blog, the grizzlyjournal.
Check our notes..It was 10 to 11 when
Vanderjet adn Spergitis came in. (stuads and Jordo went out) and then
before you know it Griz were down by 10.
Have you heard anything on Jordo 's ankle?
I'm not a huge fan of Dave's. We need Jordo in there, for sure. I'm saying you mess with the guards more than anything. By 'end of the bench' i didn't necessarily mean Dave... even though it doesn't get more end of the bench than him.
I just don't think his style of play matches up well at all against Bryant.
As for Jordo's ankles, I haven't heard any update. He's in there though.
I'm pissed ... at Tinkle !!!
As long as Tinkle continues with the, "work it inside only as the first option to score", WE WILL CONTINUE TO LOOSE !! Way to much time is wasted, and way to many good open shots from outside are passed up.
When guards are forced to burn most of the shot clock looking for ways to jam it inside, they end up having to throw up off balance, desperation last second shot clock buzzer beaters. Thus the poor percentage. If Martin actually dares take a 3 pointer as the first option to score, Tinkle will bench him and chew his butt actually trying to play SMART basketball.
After burning much shot clock time, and many good outside opportunities, then finally getting the ball inside, Andrew did a great. The problem is, many other great outside opportunities were wasted, and ended up as shot clock buzzer beaters. No wonder the percentage was down.
The only reason we even came back a little towards the end of the Santa Clara game, was because Rundles and Stauds starting shooting. Tinkle should have put Martin in, and told him to SCORE, not waste time trying to force the inside when it just isn't there.
Tinkle gets obstinate and will bench guards, if they dare shoot a jumper as the first option. That is CRAZY !!!!
As long as Tinkle keeps his "inside ONLY first" attitude, we will loose. His unfounded, single minded obsession to go inside first ISN'T WORKING.
Every team in the Big Sky knows all they have to do is clamp down on Andrew. They know Tinkle will punish his guards if they dare shoot from beyond the arc, unless there is only 2 seconds left on the shot clock.
Martin played 14 minutes tonight against Santa Clara. We were winning more than loosing when Martin was playing 35 minutes, running the offense and scoring from outside.... NUFF SAID !!!
PS
Come on guys, ... 7 for 13 free throws ... as if you didn't know, that's pitiful !!!!
inan agree with sanchez.i also believe that cam is healed pretty good from his foot injury and should be starting over junior. maybe starting with 3 guards to get the flow going and then going big to mix it up would be a good move.i also think mixing up going inside and outside would be better than being so predictable for our opponents.
Sanchez comment "Tinkle gets obstinate and will bench guards, if they dare shoot a jumper as the first option. That is CRAZY !!!!"
Well, he only does that to Martin! Every year, the same thing, look at the stats. Martin comes out firing, high in spirts and hope for the year and the team is looking good. Little by little they do what they need to do to hurt his game and blame him for everything that goes wrong.
There should be a law against this kind of treatment on the job! In the real world, there is!
motion offence creates balence scoring. makes it tougher to double up our big men. more one on one plays. krysco style. hate post up pass around perimiture to post offense. very little penetration from this team,
no excuse for soft defense. we dont attack when pressed. we get very few easy baskets.
Trent, could not agree more with the last statement. Not so much that it's 'krysco style'. Will likely have a post on this subject tomorrow.